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Old 8th Mar 2012, 15:43   #1
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Hey, it's the Orange's own choice.
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I've never quite understood the split in the Orange Prize. Here's one for 'best' lady-novel of the year and here's a prize for 'best' debute lady-novel. And yet, the main shortlist is full of debut novels that don't make the cut for the other.
Lady-novel as in written by or written for ladies?
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Lady-novel as in written by or written for ladies?
Written by.
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O. Why do they need a special category? I never understand that.
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Perhaps, Mookse, because of those 25, only two are by women?

The Independent Foreign Fiction Prize long list, also announced today, only includes two women in the list of 15 writers.

This kind of thing is why there is still a place for the Orange Prize. Plainly, the playing field is still not level. There is a great deal of sexism within the publishing industry, as amply illustrated by the recent Vida statistics for gender bias within the industry, as seen recently online:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012...ournalism-vida


Until the playing field is level, then we need the Orange prize.

I'd be interested to know exactly where this 'lady-novel' label comes from. Where is it mentioned in the prize publicity/literature?
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Until the playing field is level, then we need the Orange prize.
What about the judging element, where all judges are female? Necessary?

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I'd be interested to know exactly where this 'lady-novel' label comes from.
Just my little term, to save me writing 'books written by ladies'.
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Just my little term, to save me writing 'books written by ladies'.
And, of course, stir the pot. Part of what makes you so charming, Stewart.

I don't have any problem with a prize restricted by gender since citizenship, location and genre all are used as screening devices in other prizes. If you don't like the conditions, by all means ignore the prize. For me, the Orange has tended to produce some very readable books that I had not known about otherwise.
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Perhaps, Mookse, because of those 25, only two are by women?

The Independent Foreign Fiction Prize long list, also announced today, only includes two women in the list of 15 writers.

This kind of thing is why there is still a place for the Orange Prize. Plainly, the playing field is still not level. There is a great deal of sexism within the publishing industry, as amply illustrated by the recent Vida statistics for gender bias within the industry, as seen recently online:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012...ournalism-vida


Until the playing field is level, then we need the Orange prize.

I'd be interested to know exactly where this 'lady-novel' label comes from. Where is it mentioned in the prize publicity/literature?
I'm usually suspicious of this sort of prizes that are for one gender only because then they are forced to pick novels written by women which may not be beneficial of the quality of the book that's been awarded a prize. It reminds me a little of companies hiring women because they want a certain percentage of positions filled by women which then results in the company hiring someone who may not be as competent as desired.

I'd rather books were selected for their merit only, not for the sex of their author. That is all.

I'm not familiar enough with the world of publishing to comment on any statistics or conclusions distilled from them.
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Perhaps, Mookse, because of those 25, only two are by women?
Whatever.

On to other things: I'm agnostic about the prize. On the one hand, it's very clear women writers haven't won nearly as many literary awards as men and, therefore, lose out on deserved recognition. On the other, such an award could perpetuate the idea that women writers can't compete with the men, which, if we are really looking at merit, is preposterous.
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Whatever.
On the other, such an award could perpetuate the idea that women writers can't compete with the men, which, if we are really looking at merit, is preposterous.
e.g. Jane Austen, George Eliot, the Brontes.

Hardly seems a contest.
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