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Once known as Blixa
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I liked the whole thing, and as you anticipated, I have a few quibbles about the dialogue.
At a glance, "yes", "guys", "lunch", "don't", "can't", "haven't" would all be replaced with "aye", "lads", "dinner", "dinna", "canna" "havena". And the dialogue is all a little drawing room in character. I know whereof I speak, as my paternal grandfather started life as a fisherman working out of Cockenzie at the turn of the century - the rest of his family were still at it when I was a lad in the forties, and, whatever they thought, these men would never use a nancy phrase like “Yes, blue like a calm sky” - too cissy and weak for these windswept heroes. You'd be lucky to get a grunt out of any of them unless it was to do with fish prices or beer. I don't suppose your modern Stonehaven trawlerman is very much different. I don't like to criticise, and I can't tell you where to immerse yourself for the true vernacular, but I think you have to do it. EDIT: Oh, and a draught in the door usually makes a fire flare up, not go out. |
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Blixa, you really do write very sensitively. This is handled very gently, and holds much promise. Not sure whether this is your first draft, or not, but if it is then it's darn good. I don't know whether you're looking for suggestions or not, so ignore my comments if you prefer, but I would cut out some of the padding that for my money doesn't earn its keep here. I've highlighted what I'd scrub in red to make it easier to follow. I think it was Tobias Wolff who made some pertinent comment about never putting in the incidental stuff that doesn't tell the reader anything of value, and he's dead right. I would also try to get something in this first page that really makes the reader sit up and take notice ... something one of the characters says, or does, that immediately makes you curious as to what's going on. What you've got so far is perfectly fine, don't get me wrong, but it's safe writing, rather than exciting, because the situation and the characters are running along familiar lines. With regard to your concerns about dialogue, I think you're not doing badly at all, but I'd abbreviate some of it. A silly, but effective example would be the condensing of I shall to I'll - that sort of thing. And the more you get into the story and the characters begin to take over, the better you'll hear their voices ringing in your head ... so not to worry too much at this stage anyway. But all in all hats off to you for a very commendable start ....
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I was hoping to take a day trip to Anstruther over the summer to visit the fishing museum there for more of a feel of life back then and just partake of some of the local lingo. I've got a couple of books that have been helpful as regards the sale of herring and the types of fishing craft available. Quote:
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Edit: can I just say how much I really do admire your enthusiasm and commitment to the scribbling process ... and that also very much comes over in what you write, somehow. |
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More basic agreement from me, especially in making George more tight-lipped as he's not only a gruff man of the sea but a recently (?) bereaved one too; but I would suggest that rather than lose some of the more civilised dialogue you could reassign it - put his words in Laura's mouth, have her fill out his silences or embelish his one-word responses. If he can only think of the baby's eyes as "Blue", she can add the heartfelt detail for him, etc.
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HoneyPotts has the right idea, I think - if you can really get to grips with who your characters are, then the plot will come from that.
I'm told by a friend who is in the enviable position of writing for a living (and making a living at it) that the main reason for manuscripts being returned from publishers is lack of characterisation. Getting a feel for their physical characteristics would also help - even if you don't include this in the narrative. For example, if you know how Laura dresses, sits, stands, wears her hair, this will all help when you are putting her in a certain situation and wondering how she would behave. Thora Hird apparently always started to decide on how to portray a character by deciding what sort of shoes she would wear... |
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