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Old 8th Dec 2006, 18:20   #11
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I asked Laura Midgley if she would be putting my comments up:

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If I added your comments to the website I would be inundated with e-mails from those wishing to oppose what you say and as this not a blog I would have to deal with them manually which would be a complete nightmare I can assure you. So I am afraid until we get a blog where you would of course be welcome to join the debate - we are not worried about debating this topic I can assure you and have held quite a few public meetings for anyone to attend which have been quite lively!

I would also get lots of e-mails from people saying that they are from minorities and they don't want PC and we would be there all day!

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Yes, but the website doesn't say 'only comments which agree with us are welcome' (though it does say on the submission page, rather presumptuously, "Thanks for your support!"). I have given her a link to this thread so she can come and defend her position. Here at Palimpsest we do allow differing opinions to be heard.
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Old 8th Dec 2006, 18:32   #12
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"If it doesn't stop now, civil war will break out." Er, who against whom, exactly?
I suspect it will be waged between the sender's brainial hemispheres.
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You're right. Among the links on their site are Politically Incorrect, which after a quick browse, pretty quickly abandons any pretence that it's about political correctness and offers a list of right-wing hobby horses unconnected with the topic: Hunting, Europe, Speed Cameras, Travellers, Immigration and so on. Just another unthinking hatemonger. In his intro he says:

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I do this in an effort to head off the initial and understandable reactions of people from a left wing, socialist or Labour background (the 'PC Brigade') who would otherwise dismiss the content out of hand as 'right wing propaganda written by some lazy good-for-nothing toff who wants to keep the working classes in their place'.


Hm, what was that about dismissing things out of hand? No, we don't think you're a toff out to keep the working classes in their place (what a bizarre notion anyway) - for a start, toffs often have good manners. We think you're just a bit thick and like to make yourself feel secure by surrounding yourself with your favourite prejudices.

Like Laura and John Midgley's site, he specifically warns against associating him with the BNP and the like. Presumably both sites have had such unsavoury people contacting them with support. No doubt he, like John and Laura, is mystified as to why his site with its hatred against travellers and immigrants would attract racists! I can't think, myself.

And while we're at it, why does the Campaign Against Political Correctness ask for money so often on its site? What for? Specifically who are they fighting?

Ugh. Better give my inbox a wash.
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Some more nice pics of John and Laura on this page. Seems they regularly address upwards of 30 people at their meetings.
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Against the backdrop of a huge Union Jack in the Queen’s Hall Barnoldswick Conservative Club John Midgley said, “You may have noticed that we have a number of Union Jacks around here today. This is not an accident. It is because we are fed up with being told that we are cannot fly the Union Jack as it is “xenophobic”. We fly it to show that we are proud to be British, proud of our history, proud of our unique traditions, proud of our influence in the world, proud of our key roles in the two world wars and proud to be a country which champions freedom and responsibility. And because of that pride, of which the Union Jack is a symbol, we will not lie down and surrender to those who want to take it all away.”
First, is it the "Union Jack" or the "Union Flag"?
Second who are these individuals who say that flying the flag is xenophobic?

I would bet that I couldn't find a single individual who agrees with that statement. So how do these narrow-minded, Daily Mail readers come up with these "facts"?
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Ugh. Better give my inbox a wash.
You're the one who invited them round our place.

She looks a bit Burchillesque in those other photos...
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Old 8th Dec 2006, 20:19   #17
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Laura Midgley demonstrate her skills as a writer in this piece, which featured in, er, Freedom Today magazine:

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We’re always moaning that political correctness has gone too far. I actually don’t know anyone who isn’t totally fed up with the whole thing. Yet finding someone of influence who says what you are thinking is rather like searching for a hair on Duncan Goodhew’s head.
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There’s hardly anyone. This nonsense has somehow become the norm. How did that happen? Did we all go to bed one night to the sound of lovely innocent fairy tales to wake up to politically correct horror stories the following morning.

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The final, final straw for me (which meant that doing nothing was no longer an option) came when I was having a conversation with an irate taxi driver. The taxi driver said to me, “Whatever will be next – equal opportunities for gay goldfish?”


My mind swam. Gay goldfish? Was there such a thing? If the politically correct brigade could find a gay goldfish I would have no doubt whatsoever that this could become a reality instead of a throwaway line. Where would it all end?
So let me get this straight, Laura: your Damascene conversion came when a taxi driver - those bastions of reason and political balance - made a feeble joke about gay goldfish? In any other sphere, this would be an anecdote used to illustrate the idiocy of the anti-PC lobby. But that's the parallel world of Laura Midgley for you.

John Midgley has also had a piece published in Freedom Today. In it he says:

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The Race Relations (Amendment) Act 2000 is not only contributing to the bureaucratic air that is polluting our schools but is an attack on freedom. Not just the freedom of the institutions affected, but on individuals too.
Well, here's the Race Relations (Amendment) Act 2000. Its main principles are:

Public bodies specified in the act (government, police, education etc) must consider the need
(a) to eliminate unlawful racial discrimination, and
(b) to promote equality of opportunity and good relations between persons of different racial groups.


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It is unlawful for a public authority in carrying out any functions of the authority to do any act which constitutes discrimination.


Yes, an attack on freedom, John. But not the sort of freedom that many of us would hold dear.
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I love the idea of political correctness gone mad.

It's as if there is a saner version of political correctness, which, when poked with a stick, gets really riled.
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Or is if Political Correctness were an entity in its own right!

I went to hear George Alagiah speak last night and he congratulated us in Lincoln for having a Christmas Market and not calling it Winterval. He got a huge round of applause. I wanted to weep.

I personally dislike the term 'Political Correctness' because it gives people the opportunity to write off issues around the offensive terminology they use with a wave of the hand - 'oh it's just political correctness'. It's not, it's thinking twice about the things we say and the effect they have on other people - isn't it?

I don't always think we get it right and sometimes we think people might be offended by a term that doesn't bother them at all (I remember the brouhaha around 'brainstorm' for example). But people do find some terminology offensive and I think just as fellow human beings we should do our best to avoid that. Disabled people I have worked with have told me they hate the term 'the Disabled' for example (a term I notice the Midgeley's use on their site - whether by accident or design I don't know). The minute we dismiss this on the terms of 'it's just Political Correctness', we begin to suggest that we should have the freedom to offend who we like when we like. It's all very well to cheer Bruce Forsyth for refusing to stop using the term 'nitty-gritty' but does it hurt him not to say it if he knows it's going to offend someone?

I was trying to explain it to a group of 16-18 year olds a few weeks ago. If I have the right to be treated with respect, treated as an individual, not to feel hurt, put down, be accepted for who I am etc etc (all of which they agreed were or should be our rights) then I have a responsibility to treat other people in the same way. Otherwise I am saying 'I have the right to this, that and the other, but you don't.' So, if it doesn't hurt me to say 'disabled people' rather than 'the disabled' but it helps someone else, bloody hell, it's not much to ask then, is it?
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I actually don’t know anyone who isn’t totally fed up with the whole thing. Yet finding someone of influence who says what you are thinking is rather like searching for a hair on Duncan Goodhew’s head.
This, of course, is the standard warcry of most people bemoaning the so-called "PC thuggery" which makes it hard for them to be as bigoted as they would like. The argument is the same every single time:
"Everyone knows that immigrants steal/Jews control the media/blacks want to rape white women/gays are looking to ban heterosexuality/etc, but of course you can't say that out loud."

It's really a quite clever construct, though I'm sure most anti-"PC" crusaders don't realize this: the "common knowledge" argument is irrefutable - if everyone knows something is one way and some mamby-pamby liberal says it's not, how stupid is he? Who needs to read up on facts when EVERYONE knows it's like this? And the "we're not allowed to say that" thing, which they themselves prove false by, duh, saying it, paints them as some sort of martyrs. Essentially, they claim both having the majority on their side and being a persecuted minority at the same time. Both claims, of course, are pure bullshit, but they don't let me say that.

BTW, where do I sign up for the gay goldfish agenda?
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