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Old 1st Sep 2009, 8:07   #21
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Yea, yea, yea. Ask Stephen Fry. He's on my side.

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Incidentally, forgive a detour here, but if there is one misapprehension about Americans that annoys me more than any other, it is the lofty claim, usually made by the most dim-witted and wit-free Britons, that America is an — ho-ho — “irony free zone”. Let it be established here, this day, that no one, on pain of being designated fifty types of watery twat, ever dare repeat that feeble, ignorant, self-satisfied canard ever ever again. Americans are no more irony illiterate than Britons or anyone else and the repeated assertion (and it is no more than an assertion not a demonstrable provable fact) is no more than a pathetic symbol of a certain kind of Briton’s flabby need to convince themselves of their sophisticated superiority over the average American. Now, don’t feel bad about the fact that you, dear listener/reader have, at some point in the past been guilty of repeating and transmitting this feeble myth, we all have. It’s lazy, easy and gives us a warm glow. My war on the lie begins now, and is not retrospective, so you need not feel ashamed. Only promise never to repeat it. Actually, even if you think it’s true, have the grace to recognise that such a clunking, tedious, oft-repeated cliché is so dull and well-worn that it almost doesn’t matter whether it’s true or not, it’s just plain tedious and only bar-stool bores and dull-witted gibbons would ever think it worth trotting out. Besides, it is ugly, graceless and rude.
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That was a joke, I hope you know. It is a common British belief that Americans don't "get" irony.
I did, indeed, get it.
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I'm feeling like I just got it in the neck - and rightly so.
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Thanks, Stephen Fry!

And Nou, I naturally assumed you weren't serious before, so why feel stung? Not to mention the fact that, even if we Americans do get irony, there is ample evidence, right at the beginning of this thread, that we can't pull it off. Or not always, anyway.
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And Nou, I naturally assumed you weren't serious before...
Me too, because it's you, Nou. Phew! (We all understand each other now).
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Actually, when I said that, I was being ironic.

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Well, then I was right!
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Lurgee, no, there's no script. This was all just a semi-elaborate joke that didn't really work.
It worked very well, just not in the way you intended. I was quite beguiled by the piece.
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It worked very well, just not in the way you intended. I was quite beguiled by the piece.
Yes, me too...
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I'm not sure how to respond to that reaction, Lurgee and Ang. "Thanks" seems wrong, given what I intended, but I'll say "thanks" anyway.

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