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Old 22nd Feb 2006, 14:45   #11
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Some comics can be considered art just as some novels can, I would have thought.

Not many though, admittedly. But Maus would be one, judging from comments elsewhere in the Palimp.
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Old 23rd Feb 2006, 13:33   #12
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I'm sure this must have been discussed elsewhere on the site, but it's my understanding that the definition of art is very subjective, especially in the less mainstream areas such as comics and graffiti, so my remarks earlier were based on my belief that it's wrong to assume something has no value as an art form purely because one doesn't understand it. Of course there will be shit comic artists/writers just as there are shit novelists whose work probably shouldn't be considered art, but then who am I to judge?
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Old 23rd Feb 2006, 13:37   #13
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It's wrong to assume something has no value as an art form purely because one doesn't understand it.
So, what you're saying Lucoid is that I don't understand comics?
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Or that you can't understand where the art is in them...
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Old 23rd Feb 2006, 14:11   #15
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I can understand where the art is, (look:



he's used a pencil and paper and everything) but Art?
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Old 23rd Feb 2006, 14:35   #16
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Quite a number of Comics have been nominated as Art, and, certainly, there is much tremendous illustration in some of them, but they fail to convince as works of art, just as most fiction does.

Some which come close are:
The Dark Knight Returns - a very grim Batman, with genuinely excellent drawing in places, and a cinematic jump-cut approach to story-telling, using fragments of conversations and newscasts and small inserts.

Watchmen - a rather solemn story with quite a bit of overblown philosophy/cosmology in it, as well as actual pages with writing on them and no pictures! Again, a cinema noire approach with mysterious camera angles etc., and a very nice story within a story about a pirate ship, which is probably worth the journey.

Sandman series - Neil Gaiman's creation, drawn by various artists - some I adore, others are just ho-hum. Usually well narrated, though.

Ronin - illustration and story are very good - no risk of boredom.

But do any of them attain the status of Art. No. But some of the individual pages do:
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I've never been really into comics but I remember I liked Thorgal and Chninkel


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Well, I was young and it was the eighties... (Added after I followed my own links.)
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So, what you're saying Lucoid is that I don't understand comics?
Point taken! Perhaps 'connect with' or 'appreciate' might have been more appropriate.
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Having just read The Further Adventures of Batman, a collection of text short stories, (I was stuck in an indoor rock-climbing facility for 4 hours with nothing else to read, and after you've watched half a dozen fit young people clamber up a wallfull of Mr Potatohead bits you've seen them all) I was struck with how thin the character of Batman actualy is. I was looking forward to some grown up authors (well Robert Sheckley and Robert Silverberg ) having fun with the character but all I got was a real variable mess that read like treatments for episodes of a TV series. I guess they were just all just making a quick book.

Niel Gaiman on the other hand walks on water and the Sandman books are as near literature as the comic book format has yet achieved. Though let down from time to time by some really shoddy artwork in places.
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