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Old 29th Aug 2006, 23:58   #31
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Default Re: Book 27: THE THREE STIGMATA OF PALMER ELDRITCH by Philip K Dick

I think the gnostic interpretation is right on. (Not that I know much about gnosticism, but anyway...) Another possible interpretation I've been mulling over has to do with drug use and abuse. Alienation, blurred reality, and despair are common problems facing drug addicts. And salvation, in the sense of breaking the habit, is again sadly only for some. I like the fact that Dick is talking about so much at the same time.

I can see, m., why your reading is more optimistic than what I proposed above. The epigraph by Bulero is certainly optimistic, in a wary sort of way. I'm still not sure if we can/should/must take his statements at face value. It's a nice ambiguity in my mind.

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I mean, after all; you have to consider we're only made out of dust. That's admittedly not much to go on and we shouldn't forget that. But even considering, I mean it's sort of a bad beginning, we're not doing too bad. So I personally have faith that even in this lousy situation we're faced with we can make it. You get me?

From an interoffice audio-memo cir-
culated to Pre-Fash level consultants at
Perky Pat Layouts, Inc., dictated by
Leo Bulero immediately on his return
from Mars.
And what about the future in which Eldritch is killed by Bulero? Is it going to happen? Is it going to be Eldritch or Mayerson who dies? And if it is Eldritch, what effect will that have on the stigmatized humans?

I liked the telepathic jackal too, but my favorite was Perky Pat. It's just so weird! (And yet so familiar in some disturbing ways.)
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Another possible interpretation I've been mulling over has to do with drug use and abuse. Alienation, blurred reality, and despair are common problems facing drug addicts. And salvation, in the sense of breaking the habit, is again sadly only for some. I like the fact that Dick is talking about so much at the same time.
Do you mean, and this is my feeling, that the story is taken over by the author's own drug dependency?
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Default Re: Book 27: THE THREE STIGMATA OF PALMER ELDRITCH by Philip K Dick

Meant to mention before but "Perky Pat" appears in that most PKDickensian of movies eXistenZ. At one point the two central characters are holed up in a motel trying to figure out what the hell is going on while eating a takaway meal from cartons labeled 'Perky Pat'.
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Old 30th Aug 2006, 20:22   #34
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Do you mean, and this is my feeling, that the story is taken over by the author's own drug dependency?
I mean that the author is writing about his drug dependency... that the Palmer Eldritch phenomenon mght be a metaphor for drug dependency. Is that what you mean? Or do you mean to say that the story gets out of control because the author was tripped out on drugs while writing? It feels that way at times, but in my opinion everything comes together in the end (with the possible exception of the chew-z pot purchase as mentioned above).
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I've got to say that in my memory Valis was about religion, while The Three Stigmata... was mostly about drugs. I thought there was much less religion in it. Does it mean that there is much more drugs in Valis than I remember now?
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I mean that the author is writing about his drug dependency... that the Palmer Eldritch phenomenon mght be a metaphor for drug dependency. Is that what you mean?
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Alright. I agree.
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Sitting the other night piloting my innocent wee avatar through the rich and varied weirdness to be explored in Second Life at some stupidly early hour of the morning I had this sudden realisation I was playing with a Perky Pat layout. I had never thought of Dick as a particularly prophetic writer before.
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