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Old 22nd Jun 2007, 16:44   #11
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Last night I got caught up in a conversation with a man keen to prove that self publishing is entirely different from vanity publishing. It seems like a pretty fine distinction to me, I suppose I've usually considered them as more or less the same thing. After all, in both cases, the writers pay to have their work produced, instead of being paid for it. But is there a substantial difference?
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Old 22nd Jun 2007, 17:01   #12
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I think they are completely different.

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Old 22nd Jun 2007, 17:42   #13
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Post of the day, I'm sure!
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Old 22nd Jun 2007, 18:10   #14
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LOL Mr HG

I'm trying to remember what the definitions in the Writers and Artists Yearbook (which I don't have with me on the boat). If you set up your own imprint, it's self-publishing whereas if you pay two grand or whatever to a 'publisher', it's vanity publishing. If I recollect the Yearbook are strongly against vanity publishing but not self-publishing.

Can't think why - as you say Kim, there seems to be little distinction as they are both routes for people who have not been accepted by anyone who actually wants to pay them for their writings.
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I can see a role for self-publishing. There aren't many mainstream publishers that would consider local history books for example. Self-publishing A Short History of Grunion Sploinking on the Upper Nidsdale - Cleethorpes Main Line 1876 - 1927 would seem legit.
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Old 22nd Jun 2007, 19:01   #16
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That's a good point, JS. I also did some work with the Artlink Exchange a few years ago with a writer-in-residence to develop and publish some remeniscence work from local people. Probably only of interest to their own families and a select few who, again, might be interested in local history.
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So is Xlibris self-publishing or vanity publishing?
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There's a self published book around at the moment which I think puts most, probably all, of the others to shame. Take a look at the effort the guy has put into the website alone. The book is not perfect, but better than 95% of the tat that 'mainstream' publishers foist on young readers in the vain hope of trousering a few million when the great unwashed discover their new JKR. The author has been published (successfully) before but took the decision to self publish this one because he feared the heavy hand of an editor may spoil some of the clues hidden in the text.
Also, 'The Highfield Mole', self published a couple of years ago, is about to be launched as 'Tunnels' by Barry Cunningham (who signed JKR to Bloomsbury) through his The Chicken House publishing company. It certainly needed some work, but it was by no means a bad book and I look forward to seeing what Mr Cunningham has done with it. He's making some brave statements about it anyway.

So, in my humble opinion, self published usually = crap. But not always. I've yet to find a vanity published book that's worth reading though.

On a self satisfied and unashamedly smug note, I have just trousered a cool grand and a bit by selling three copies of 'The Highfield Mole' that I had squirelled away in the spare room. Kicking myself over the four copies I gave away though...
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There's a self published book around at the moment which I think puts most, probably all, of the others to shame. Take a look at the effort the guy has put into the website alone. The book is not perfect, but better than 95% of the tat that 'mainstream' publishers foist on young readers in the vain hope of trousering a few million when the great unwashed discover their new JKR. The author has been published (successfully) before but took the decision to self publish this one because he feared the heavy hand of an editor may spoil some of the clues hidden in the text.
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Do we take it that you have a copy of Justin Thyme, BiNS? The 13 yr old billionaire and scientific whizz sounds like Artemis Fowl.
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