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Old 1st May 2007, 21:06   #31
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You're right, JfP. I like using them all, by the way, and I suppose that's because I couldn't use such sentence structure in my native language.
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Old 1st May 2007, 21:27   #32
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Hopefully makes it possible to express the idea of hope without specifying who's actually hoping... This makes it possible for politicians (for example... ) to prevaricate along the lines of: "I didn't say 'I hope', I merely said 'hopefully', meaning 'it is to be hoped that...' "

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[...] this thread can also be used as a graveyard for the old, 'proper' meanings.
The use of hopefully in They started work hopefully, i.e. They were hopeful when they started work, is clearly dying out [if not actually dead...]
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Old 2nd May 2007, 3:41   #33
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In using these adverbs, ... as I think JfP is suggesting, actually, ... should we perhaps be thinking again of general intelligibility and clarity? If we're an environment where they will be useful and easily understood ... and will avoid awkward circumlocutions ... they can be very accessible and to the point: frankly, thankfully, strictly, luckily, oddly ... and of course, hopefully.

Even if they're not technically correct in grammar, I think the sense can be very clear .... often coming at the beginning of a sentence, and giving the alert as to how to view the attitude on what's coming ... They might make writing (or speaking) more clear ...especially when teaching.

What do you think re: the language teaching aspect, JfP?
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Oh, modal adverbs... poor old hopefully... No-one ever minds strangely in "Strangely, he didn't agree"... Or curiously... So why does hopefully attract such censure??
I don't know. The Germans use höffentlich in exactly this way, to mean "it is hoped that....". Language changes all the time, and English users have obviously found this new use more fit for purpose* than the old meaning of "with hope".



*definitely the phrase of the year
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Old 2nd May 2007, 9:50   #35
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My particular bugbear, which has me grinding my teeth and scratching my nails across my desk, is when an email appears in work with someone asking for advise. It pisses me off - literally tearing my hair out, in fact.
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In my line of work, people are most apt to misuse "vice" for "vise". In fact, at one time there was a girl working here who used to say "vice grips" when refering to the huge corner clamping, table mount style vise. Talk about teeth grinding.

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In the UK 'Vice' is the spelling for both meanings of the word and the pronunciation is the same for both.
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Practice and practise are another two that are often wrongly interused.

If we're including phrases, a few years ago I saw '0% interest free on purchases' in the window of a shop selling TVs. Eh? I behaved like an obsessive bint and went and told them they meant either '0% interest' or '100% interest free'.
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Totally off topic here but following on from Leyla's going into a shop story.

My parents tell a story of a friend of theirs who was in the antique business. One day he he was passing a shop selling new furniture. In the window was a table made some sort of laminate but labelled "Solid mahogany £400" he went in and told then it wasn't solid mahogany and they were misleading the public. They said it was made from solid mahogany. There followed a progressively more and more heated debate which culminated in the friend saying that if it was solid mahogany he would buy it. He went out to his van and returned with a saw, he placed £400 pounds in cash on the table - and sawed the corner of the table off. It wasn't mahogany. He picked up his cash and left the shop.
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In the UK 'Vice' is the spelling for both meanings of the word and the pronunciation is the same for both.
Okay! So my UK spellings are just not right - but really, it was the "grip" part that inspired my heavenward stare. That poor girl must have said it ten times a day. And I never did find the right approach (guts) to let her know. Aw, writing about it makes me recall how I've missed her around the place.
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