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Old 17th Jan 2007, 15:22   #21
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Default Re: Irritating writing styles.

Ah, thank you Col... I use them too!!!!!!
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Old 17th Jan 2007, 15:24   #22
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Default Re: Irritating writing styles.

I use them myself in e-mails and messenger chats because they're more expressive sometimes. It's just the over-use that narks me.
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Old 17th Jan 2007, 15:24   #23
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But I bet you wouldn't use - or rather, overuse - them (or exclamation marks, of course) in any fictional writing you do, would you? I think we all tend to dash things off here without too much attention being paid to the style of it all. And we fall into easy comfortable habits that aren't necessarily the best form, but that's hardly a crime, surely. That said yes, down with txt spk, I agree. Horrid abomination that it is - except for Btw and imho which are perfectly alright (for the very spurious reason that I sometimes use 'em!) But writing fiction is a very different matter. It's a performance piece where you naturally pay far more care to the phrasing and presentation and writing style than you do with informal forum chatter. Or am I just finding an excuse to be lazy?
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Old 17th Jan 2007, 15:30   #24
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But writing fiction is a very different matter. It's a performance piece where you naturally pay far more care to the phrasing and presentation and writing style than you do with informal forum chatter. Or am I just finding an excuse to be lazy?
Not at all. I think most of us on the Palimp offer up very presentable posts, although do you remember Skinned Teen? Well, anyway, I don't think forum chatter has to be perfect, and there are some dreadful ones out there, but writing fiction - if you didn't pay much attention to phrasing etc, you'd end up with something that could have been penned by Sean Wright.
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Old 17th Jan 2007, 15:38   #25
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Ellipses............
JKR was terribly fond of these in HP & the Order of the Phoenix, and she hasn't quite shaken the habit. She was overkeen on SHOUTING in that one too, and only Owen Meany should have exclusive use of that.
I'm terribly guilty of the over-use of 'em.

...Normally at the beginnings of lines.
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Old 17th Jan 2007, 15:59   #26
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I don't like the use or erms in writing. They're usually used by people trying to be superior but in an insufferably patronising, almost apologetic, way.
For example, if I were to mention as an aside to something else the Wall Street Crash of 1928, I may get the response:
Erm.. er... I think you'll find it was 1929. Then there might be a smiley added for that extra excruciating condescension.
The other use of them is just as bad, when people think the use of them makes their writing quirkier or funnier (Guardian Pass Notes is a good example). It doesn't. It's lazy and unoriginal.
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Old 17th Jan 2007, 17:13   #27
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Default Re: Irritating writing styles.

Well... I freely confess to a love of ellipses, but they should only be used with three dots. Not two, not four or more.

And, yes, I sometimes use <mode=(for example)rant> in posts, but only on the net where people kind of "get" the idiom. </mode> But you will notice that I always close the tag afterwards.

I shall continue to use ellipses, indicating a pause for a beat or two, even when I'm writing prose. I believe it to be a valid punctuation symbol, like a long comma.

But, in deference to the non-techy tendency of Palimpsest, I shall desist from pseudo-HTML on this forum.
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Well... I freely confess to a love of ellipses, but they should only be used with three dots. Not two, not four or more.

I shall continue to use ellipses, indicating a pause for a beat or two, even when I'm writing prose. I believe it to be a valid punctuation symbol, like a long comma.
I agree totally. It's only an excess of them I find difficult: a bouquet of ellipses.
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And, yes, I sometimes use <mode=(for example)rant> in posts, but only on the net where people kind of "get" the idiom. </mode> But you will notice that I always close the tag afterwards.
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As one who is somewhat guilty of using too many exclamation marks...
In your hands, Digger, they're only ever endearing because of your Tiggerish optimism and charm. I was referring more to self important people who drone on and on and on, and slap their thighs metaphorically every few sentences in peals of laughter at their own wit. Groan. I'm thinking the written equivalent of Ruby Wax, the relentless unfunny gabbing of Kathy Lette, entries on friendsreunited where people add exclamation marks after every sentence, people who have 'You Don't Have To Be Mad To Work Here But It Helps!' signs, and, yes, almost all text speak.
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