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Okay, since I'm spoiled for choice, let's begin with the bad news: boring sex, boring music, no plot, crap dialogue, no character development - hell, no characterisation at all, no message, no inference, no intelligence - in fact no bloody point at all.
And the good news? This is far harder. Um .... well, there were some rather pretty shots of snow. Oh yes - big selling point, this: it was short. There again, not bloody short enough. For those interested the plot goes like this: boy meets girl at gig. Boy screws girl. Girl screws boy. They go to a lot of music concerts in between screws and then ..... they part. Yup. Deep, eh? And I'm not joking - that really is it, because there is absolutely nothing, not one teensy-weesy insubstantial little iota of anything else to even vaguely amuse you or keep you entertained. Take away the music and you're left with nothing but tame and very boring sex. Take away the sex and you're left with tame and very boring music. Take away nothing, and on this occasion, you're still left with precisely nothing. Nada. Zilch. Forget the hype about explicit sex, the rumpy-pumpy in this film was as hot as a pair of old bed-socks. Yes, a camera was (frequently) held within inches of the actors' (I use the term mighty loosely) undercarriages and twiddly bits, but for all the good it did, it might just as well have been a biology video complete with sound effects. I would think the couplings of the average domestic bunny would give these two a run for their money on the raunchometer. But then, the sex isn't supposed to be exceptional or entertaining. After all, this is a story (ha! another very loose term) about ordinary people doing ordinary things like .... well, like screwing and going to music concerts. The trouble is, ordinary people doing ordinary things in the hands of a director with a big hole in his head, is just not very entertaining. Many things it may be, but fun it ain't. No, the sex, I suggest, is simply Mr Winterbottom's attempt to put Mr Winterbottom on the cinematic map. Well it won't. You need to come up with more than this to make people come back for more. In fact, 9 Songs very much gives the impression of a director so desperate to achieve some sort of fame or recognition he's down to scraping bottoms, not of barrels - just bottoms full stop. |
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Philip French didn't much like it either, though in Winterbottom's defence he argues that he is
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Well yes, but were any of them any good? Seems to me the fella keeps trying and when one door doesn't open so he bangs away on another. Peter Bratshaw - the idiot at the Guardian, dares - sorry, DARES to compare 9 Songs to Before Sunset. This is like comparing Pizza Hut to The Ivy. Before Sunset is one of the most moving, most enchanting films about a couple meeting and coming together that you are likely to see. An absolute gem. I see kumquat's awarded it 5 stars on her palimp film list. I would go so far as to suggest seven little twinklers at the very least. Loved that film! Get it on dvd, then after a little while get the follow-up, After Sunset. In fact, says she going on and on and on - but hey! am smiling just at the memory of it - see both the Sunset films and then take in The Station Agent. My favourite three best films of 2003. Then you'll understand just how loathesomely vacuous Mr Winterbottom's effort is.
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As much as it was about the most depressing film I'd ever seen, I enjoyed Jude too.
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Yes he did amner, and very well directed it was too (particularly the cathartic camera-rising-from-the-railway-lines at the end). I enjoyed his impressionistic urban drama Wonderland, where the music of Michael Nyman (who has worked with Winterbottom regularly) became almost a character in itself. It's the only soundtrack album I've ever bought - oh, apart from Magnolia.
Honey, I'm open to correction here, but aren't the Linklater/Hawke/Delpy, er, biology called Before Sunrise and Before Sunset, rather than Before Sunset and After Sunset? |
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Sorry, yes you're right. Was in too much of a hurry to dash off. If you doubt my word, take a look at what another pair of reviewers had to say here and here. As you can see, they too were far from impressed by Mr Winterbottom's 9 Songs.
Add: just found the Times review. Have taken the liberty of printing it out here, since Times online is only free for a short period. Quote:
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Of Winterbottom's output, I've seen Code-46 (lousy) and the refugee movie (excellent). I definately get the sense that he's an erratic sort.
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Saw this last night via the freebie Netflix (or it might be LoveFilm) promo I'm currently getting. I have to be honest, I didn't mind it.
I thought it was intimate and pretty honest and the whole point was that sex is something that people just do. It's not meant to be particularly erotic to the watchers, it shouldn't be a plot point that makes you judge a horror movie nymphet so that it's OK when she gets sliced up, nor should it be an indicator that someone is crazy and sub-human. It's a thing that people do and shouldn't always be isolated for another purpose. And sometimes it's exciting and sometimes it's dull and sometimes it's downright desultory. But I think that what they wanted to show was relatively normal people, who may even be a bit boring, having a bunk up. And the music? Well, that's your taste, of course (I quite like the Primals and the Furries, who are trotted out here, and with all due deference would describe neither as tame or boring) but the point of that was surely that as twentysomethings a lot of people more easily associate their interactions with others via certain songs, irrespective of whether they're The Beatles, Radiohead, Ella Fitzgerald or The Cheeky Girls. And the girl looked like one of my exes, but that's just me. And I think that's the point. It's just them. PS. re the Cracker reference, above. The lad in this is Fitz's son, Mark (Kieran O'Brien).
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