The Palestinian-Israeli Truce

[Jerkass]

What does everyone think about the most recent truce between Palestine and Israel?

[John Self]

I'm feeling optimistic - hence "give it a few weeks."

[pandop]

I'm feeling optimistic - hence "give it a few weeks."

I'm not, hence 'a few days' - I would very much like to be pleasantly suprised though

Hazel

[Jerkass]

Maybe the more relevant poll would have been, "When this all falls apart within a few weeks, what will have caused it?"

[John Self]

Less than a day, then: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4248783.stm

[NottyImp]

Sooner or later (probably so late as to be never), the Palestinians are going to have to get to grips with their own militants if any lasting peace is to be agreed.

[kumquat]

One could also say that sooner or later the state of israel is going to have to get to grips with their militants if any lasting peace is going to be agreed.

[Probe–Head]

Sooner or later (probably so late as to be never), the Palestinians are going to have to get to grips with their own militants if any lasting peace is to be agreed.I take an opposing view: I think Israel needs to push for peace continually, and concentrate on Palestinian moderates instead of a fringe minority. Israel’s ’targeted’ killings cause more deaths than Palestinian random bombings! Sharon, by his actions, engages in a strategy of continuous warfare: punishing all Palestinians for actions by a series of extreme — not to mention individual — fringes.

[Jerkass]

Do you have numbers handy for this? I don't, but I'm weighing up the occasional targeted killing of a handful of suspected militants here and there against 10-50 deaths at a time from suicide bombers, and I'm suspicious that the numbers might prove the opposite point. It doesn't matter either way, of course, because both sides need to learn to play nicely together, but I'd be curious to see what actual numbers are.

[Probe–Head]

Do you have numbers handy for this?He targets civilians, despite any protestations otherwise. I did have a txt file of numbers but I can’t seem to locate them on my hard drives. Reinstalments, changing FAT spacing, etc. etc. I realise that may sound a little ¬_¬ but http://www.cobussen.com/images/closelayer.giftruehttp://www.cobussen.com/images/closelayer.gif regardless!

[youjustmightlikeit]

What's with the crosses?

[Probe–Head]

What's with the crosses?I write those words under erasure. I would prefer to have used a strikethrough option, but not all HTML works on this board. I decided instead to bookend words or phrases with those crosses to simulate this.

[Digger]

I write those words under erasure.

Is that what you're listening to then?

Sorry, goodness knows I have enough typos!

As to the actual topic of this forum... untill all parties on both sides agree that in order to halt the violence and killing that someone, anyone, all of them have to stop, it wont happen.

As long as one person still thinks that revenge in a like manner is an effective modus operandi peace will not survive. The cycle will continue. :(

[Wavid]

What's with the crosses?I write those words under erasure. I would prefer to have used a strikethrough option, but not all HTML works on this board. I decided instead to bookend words or phrases with those crosses to simulate this.

Errrrrrr, why not just delete the mistake, and replace it with what you meant to type?

[Probe–Head]

What's with the crosses?I write those words under erasure. I would prefer to have used a strikethrough option, but not all HTML works on this board. I decided instead to bookend words or phrases with those crosses to simulate this.Errrrrrr, why not just delete the mistake, and replace it with what you meant to type?Yeees… Perhaps I should have prefaced my post with conventions I apply to my writings in order to make things clearer for people!

I take this practice from Jacques Derrida, who in turn modified it from Heidegger. I believe we construct our realities with languages (which I call ’text’ (or ’txt’ after .txt files), whether written or spoken). However I don’t ascribe to ’inherent’, ’essential’, and ’objective’ meanings. By placing crosses around certain terms (as I said, I would prefer a strikethrough option) I want to call attention to them, and show that I simultaneously recognise but also question their accepted meanings and usages. Applying the only languages available to me, but not subscribing to all premises of those terms I place sous rature (under erasure).

:awaiting accusations of ”you pretentious bastard!” emoticon:

[NottyImp]

Blimey. :shock:

[amner]

:awaiting accusations of ”you pretentious bastard!” emoticon:

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[Wavid]

:turd: Me neither :turd:

[Probe–Head]

Most amusing…

[Digger]

Returning to the Palestine - Israel issue (where did Probe-Head go anyway?) found this fascinating article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1703245,00.html) in todays Guardian, part one of two I think, comparing the Israeli state to South African aparthide. Interesting, scary, sad, incomprehensible?

Thoughts anyone? (It's quite a long piece, but worth it)

[ono no komachi]

Interesting, scary, sad, incomprehensible?

All of the above.

[Digger]

yes. I'm looking forward to tomorrows - if part two is tomorrow. I wonder at the selective blindness that so many Israelis seem to have at the exclusion and segregations their 'democratic government' applies to the Palestinians.